Debate...

To quit the discussion at this juncture is to quit thinking and "prove" your own point that there can be no conclusions on absolutes.

I come from a very different school of thot...while most ppl are in their beds sleeping I am a slave driver—pushing my intellect past it's biases into the plane of absolute truths....

I readily admit when I am wrong...I have had plenty of practice...at 25 yrs old I have admitted being wrong twice as often as most ppl do by 50—thus I am four times further along in my intellectual development than most ;) obviously a math joke...with a hint of truth.

I am reformed, but I did not start that way. I am a Christian but I did not start that way. I hold to libertarian ideology but I did not start that way. I hold to free market economic theories but I did not start that way. I am in a box but I did not start that way...or I started in the same box that most ppl are still in, you can phrase it anyway you like, but I am a "truth seeker" and can easily detect untruths...I have a knack for it and have trained myself to do this for many years...

And I listen...that is my strength...ppl may not think I listen but I do...that is how I know so much. Only becuz I listen. I have listened/read as much as I can/could and sifted the truth from the lies...I have a working body of knowledge/wisdom and the gift of understanding...to understand philosophers and their dark sayings...

I have mathematical as well as visual acumen...I do not allow my own thots to cloud my judgments. I know pride...I have it, I've been horribly humbled. Jesus was humble, but he did not budge on truth.

I am not Jesus, but where I detect self-contradiction...I too will not budge...but I now have just come to the startling realization that to further discuss this with you would result in a loss of friendship before truth could be culled from the mess...